UNOFFICIAL OUT OF SERVICE LIST JULY, 2020


General Electric's P40/P42, built at Erie. Pennsylvania proved to be a successful design. Amtrak purchased theirs for $5 million each (in 2018 dollars). Fifteen older P40's from 1993 ( out of the group 800-843) were upgraded to P42 standards during 2011-2012 using stimulus funding from the George Bush financial panic. Rebuilt #809 and #823 were subsequently wrecked and in October 2019 their carcasses were offered for sale at Beech Grove. Others were sold to Connecticut DOT and are still in Shoreline Service (they are scheduled to be rebuilt in 2020). Our information is unofficial, and corrections or updates are welcome.

Amtrak's former stash of 14 additional stored P40's at Beech Grove, Indiana, were used as parts sources and offered for sale in December 2018 (800-806, 811, 813, 825, 826, 828). The carcasses were acquired by Larry's Truck & Electric in 2019.

Newer P42's are road numbers 1-207 of the standard units at Amtrak. Canada used 900-921 series road numbers for its small P42 fleet. Theirs were build in 2001 after completion of the Amtrak order. Four were seriously damaged and rebuilt, but all of the Canadian units remain in service.

All but two of the Amtrak P40/P42 group have had bolt-on nose cones installed, #108 and 109 still believed original in October 2019. Via-Rail Canada kept the original nose, but added a third headlight.

The other buyer of the Genesis-cabbed design was the Metro North consortium for dual-mode 3200 horsepower "B32" models on third-rail territory around New York City. Four Connecticut-owned units are in retro-New Haven paint jobs.

Amtrak's P40's were built in 1993. The first ten of New York's dualmodes were built in 1995. Amtrak's road numbers 1-50 (roughly) are from 1996. The 1997 group, more or less, are 50-120.

Road numbers 123-207 were built over the 2000-2001 period, and the second half of the dualmode group also date from 2001. Overall, the oldest Genesis-cabbed GE's are 25+ and the newest are nearly 20 years old.

Because of their age, the fact that Charger locomotives have replaced Amtrak P42's on many state-routes, and because some thought is being given to a rebuild/replace program, there may not be as many P42's coming back into service after wrecks as in the past. The cost of fixing them now is at a tipping point. Below are the losses and some possible losses, so far, listed by road number.


AMTRAK P42 TOTAL LOSSES AS OF JULY 2020 (19 UNITS)


1 Clearing tracks of snow at Longmeadow, Mass on March 13, 2017. Encountered a snow plow at a road crossing. Moved in CSX freight service September 4, 2017, waybilled to Beech Grove. Carcass offered for sale October 2019.

8 Struck the rear of NS freight 23M November 30, 2007 at 36 mph north of Englewood junction, while working the Pere Marquette into Chicago. Accident blamed on engineer miscalling a red over yellow signal. Might have been prevented if PTC had been in effect.

21 Empire Builder July 29, 2013 near Trenton, North Dakota. Trailing unit #91 slightly damaged but returned to service only to be destroyed in 2016. In the 2013 incident, A construction company bulldozer on the tracks without notification to the BNSF. Offered for sale November 2019 in sales offer 2019-02.


47 Collided with a CSX autorack freight train at Cayce, SC. on super bowl sunday, February 4, 2018. Leading train 91 at the time. On board fatalities wer the engineer and conductor. Engineer Michael Kumpff had name added on #162 (see below).

49 Fuel system fire December 2011. Remnants offered for sale by Amtrak November 2019 in Sales offer 2019-02.


65 Semi-trailer/tractor strike April 14, 2016 near Galva, Illinois on Chicago-Quincy train

66 June 5, 2015 (Heritage-painted unit) hit by a semi-truck load of bacon while on the Texas Eagle in Illinois. Returned to duty early July, 2015 after a nose job at Chicago. Hit again in Illinois in February 2016, this time on a Lincoln Service train near Joliet by a container truck and semi-trailer. Arrived Lumber Street February 27 and moved to Beech Grove on March 17, 2016. The heritage paint job originally on #66 was later replicated on #130.

70 Fuel system fire January 2011. Remnants offered for sale by Amtrak in Sales Offer 2019-02.

80 Hit by a trailer load of military Striker vehicles at Slidell, Louisiana April 2011. Engine #187, also damaged in the wreck, returned to service February 25, 2014. #80 carcass offered for sale at Beech Grove October 2019.

83 Tree strike, Silver Meteor northbound, 98-15. June, 2020. North Carolina. Switched out with second unit, 169, which then hit another tree 1/2 mile north of the first incident. CSX freighter added.

91 taken out in a road crossing incursion on the Empire Builder with 155 on November 23, 2015. Arrived Beech Grove in freight service February 8, 2016, 155 was repaired 91 was not.


102 hit a rockslide October 5, 2015 on the southbound Vermonter. One of the last three steel nose units at the time. It went down into a ravine on its side. April 2016 moved in freight service to Beech Grove on a flatcar. Carcass offered for sale at Beech Grove October 2019.

128 Low boy trailer February 1, 2012 at a grade crossing near Jackson, Michigan. Originally part of the dedicated Michigan pool. Moved to Beech Grove storage on a flatcar. Replaced by #38 in the Michigan pool. Carcass offered for sale October 2019 at Beech Grove.

141 Fuel system fire November 2011. Moved to Beech Grove where it sat for many years. Carcass offered for sale at Beech Grove October 2019.

143 Wrecked in Utah 2001, overturned and burned after sideswping a UP freight. Taken off roster, and after several years, was cut up. First P42 loss, when new.

149 Wrecked in Utah 2001, taken off roster, and scrapped. The second P42 loss, when new. With #143 in sideswipe and fire. Might have been prevented by positive train control?

178 Fuel system fire February 2011. Moved to Beech Grove, carcass offered for sale October 2019.


185 March 11, 2015, an oversized trailer with 13 axles was manuvered and parked in front of the Carolinian at Halifax, North Carolina. The driver exited his cab. The rig reportedly weighed 255,000 pounds, and was on the tracks for at least twenty minutes under the direction of the North Carolina State Police before the engineer of train 80 rounded a curve and could react to the tarp-covered load parked in front of him. The resulting impact overturned engine #185 and derailed the baggage car and the first coach. Returned to Chicago May 11, 2015 on CSX Q389. Likely scrap candidate.

200 Set out Las Vegas, New Mexico 6-October 2017 result of boulder strike on southwest chief. Arrived back Galesburg on BNSF freight 23-November-17. Chicago shop arrival 2-December-17. Arrived BEE 21-DEC-17. Another possible total.

Of the above incidents, three possibly could have been avoided or mediated had positive train control been properly in effect: 143/149 at Wendover, 8 at Englewood, and 47 at Cayce.

OTHERS DAMAGED, SHOPPED, OR RECENT WORK AS OF JULY 2020

There are, on average, 5 daily suicides by Amtrak train, two debris or tree-strikes, and on average 2-3 daily locomotive failures affecting service across the system. Tree strikes and mudslides typically occur during or after major weather events, and some are not detected by maintenance of way procedures in time to avoid incidents. On average there is one fairly serious road crossing vehicle crash, per day, often causing death or injury to motor vehicle operators. Most of these do not cause derailments or catastrophic damage to railroad equipment or create injuries to passengers or crew unless they are caused by larger trucks. These incidents typically delay trains for 4-12 hours en-route, due to insurance and police investigations. We do not make any serious effort to report these incidents. However, if a locomotive disappears for more than a week or two, we will attempt to track down the causes. Two of these are probable total losses, maybe more. Some awaiting insurance adjustment. Others may be in for repair, routine maintenance, and possible repainting.


9 Leading train 7(with 818 trailing), hit by an agricultural spray rig in eastern Montana, May 29, 2020. Said to be derailed and seriously damaged. Some fire damage, but heavy structural damage to the front end and possible frame warpage. Rerailed 5-29 and moved back east at least to Bainville, MT. The location was at the Lanark crossroads, in rural Roosevelt County about 14 miles into Montana. There are also reports of the cars being pulled west to Culbertson.
Train 7-4 dropped off two locomotives near Williston (179 and 72), which became BNSF special 920-6. Reported replaced wheel sets on some of the passenger cars and began hauling them back to Chicago. Reported in the Twin Cities area on June 7 with a hot box, 2020. Evidently continued Chicago to Beech Grove on July 8/9.

13 Apparent traction motor or other failure on Empire Builder, set out at Everett, WA. Presumably hauled back to Seattle in March 2020. Back in Cascade service April 16, 2020 without ever having returned to Chicago or Beech Grove. Swap out must have taken place locally.

16 Semi strike (truck load of chicen feed) at Homan, Miller County, Arkansas on Texas Eagle, 10:20 PM March 25, 2020. Train 22-25 vs truck at county road 64 crossing.. Front end damage. Added UP 8831 north to St. Louis and set out AMT16. Moved to UP yard in Texarkana. MDANL-18 (April 2020) Moved to Little Rock. Avon yard Apri 25. Delivered to Beech Grove 5-1-20 by J774-1

17 Vehicle strike Lakeland, Florida, October 2019. Set out and later moved to Sanford. Placed on Auto Train to Washington. Minor damage mave had been addressed at SFA and WAS. Moved on Capitol Limited to Chicago October 23/24, 2019. Moved to Beech Grove 10-26/27 2019. Out in fresh paint March 9, 2020.



18 Moved to Beech Grove on June 7, 2020.

20 Derailment 8-30-19 at Liberty, Texas on train 2. Semi-truck/trailer incident. Moved Houston-Livonia 9-6/7/19 in UP freight service. To Avondale yard by 9-12-19. Move to Amtrak shop in New Orleans likely in September, but not yet confirmed. Presumed to remain there as of February 2020.



22 Suffered a mechanical failure on northbound Silver Meteor April 12, 2020. Set out at Deerfield Beach, Florida. Moved to Hialeah. Then Hialeah to Sanford on April 19, 2020 (Special train T936-19). Moved back to Washington on the Autotrain May 19/20.



24 Struck by 18-wheeler at FM2754 crossing just west of Lissie, Texas on March 2, 2020. Had #822 trailing. This area where the SP tracks parallel US highway 90 has been the scene of previous incidents. Moved east in freight service (24 and 822) with UP7788. Reported April 15, 2020 headed to St. Louis, at Bald Knob, Arkansas on MHOAS-14. Arrived CSX freight to Avon on Q686-22 with #822. Hawthorne Yard April 25 with 822. Arrived BEE April 28 1:45 AM.



27 Hit by a truck at Fluker, Louisiana, train 58 of May 14. This area is known as a graveyard for Amtrak locomotives, and multiple fatalities occur every few weeks in vehicle-train incidents here on the CN. Set out after two replacement light engines were sent from New Orleans. Delayed the train by half a day. Picked up by another light move (engine 26) the following day.



25-36 and 126/127 The mostly former Michigan pool engines were inactive at New Orleans in June 2020. Two are wrecked at Beech Grove (see below). Remainder may be getting PTC work. The only two operating in June were 27 and 36. 39 and 126 made a Sunset Limited run on June 10-12, 2020.

32 To Beech Grove December 14-15, 2018 on Hoosier State. No known damage. Back to Chicago 1-27-19. Then hit by a truck May 24, 2019 on City of New Orleans. Evidently shopped or stored at New Orleans. Reported freight move, sighted Hawhorne Yard 7-27-19. Presumed to currently be at BEE. See above.


35 Train 59 encountered a semi-truck carrying automobiles south of Terry, MS on August 16, 2019. Moved to New Orleans, then to Chicago on August 24/25, 2019. Moved to Beech Grove 8-31/9-1(hospital train combo with Cardinal). See above.



43 and 51 struck a rockslide near Skyview, Utah on Train 5 of June 5, 2020. Passengers bussed, and UP freight engine 8563 called to move the disabled equipment (added to train 6 at Salt Lake). Damage probably not fatal. Returned to Chicago in revenue service on train 6 of June 18/20, 2020.

54 Moved to Beech Grove 2-28-18. Displaced by Charger Illinois unit. Status unknown. Returned to Chicago June 22, 2020 in fresh paint.

60 Struck tree in Idaho in Empire Builder service, set out Boyer, Idaho March 2020. Moved to Spokane on LNWE8191-19. Back in service relatively quickly.



61 Went kaput Texas Eagle in Arkansas and had to be rescued. Sent from Chicago to Beech Grove April 7-8, 2020. Seems to be moving back and forth between Beech Grove and Chicago subsequently, but reported to be having PTC problems. On April 12 move back to BeechGrove, suffered a yard derailment with 504 and a couple cars (including 6303). Back to Chicago April 27, 2020.

64 Encountered a dump truck September 30, 2019, in Kauffman County, Texas, while leading Texas Eagle Train 22. Set out near Mesquite, Texas. Picked up and delivered to Chicago by 140 on T22-3. CHI-BEE 10-5/6

67 Dump truck attack October 25, 2018 at Suffolk, Virginia on Norfolk regional. Remains out of service. Finally moved Washington to Chicago on the Capitol Limited in July 2019. To Beech Grove 21-July-2019


74 Struck a tree on Silver Star northbound July 5, 2020. Set off and moved to Yeoman yard in Tampa. July 7 made a lite move to Sanford. Moved west on Capitol Limited July 12/13, 2020 to Chicago.

76 Moved to Beech Grove March 8, 2020. Likely for routine work and painting.

81 Struck by bus at Austin, Texas February 23, 2020, southbound train 21. Superficial damage, continued operating as train 22-24.



83 (With 169) damaged by trees on Silver Meteor at Wade, North Carolina, June 15/16, 2002.

89 Encountered a tractor trailer load with big top tent for circus 11-5-18 on westbound Capitol at Gaithersburg, Maryland. To Chicago as third unit on train 29-15, arrived November 16, 2018. To Beech Grove November 22, 2018. Remains BEE as of November 2019.


97 Derailed at Race Street yard, March 20, 2020. Evidently not seriously damaged, and back in service.


105 107 109 115 120 122 - Stored mostly inactive at New Haven or Rennselaer in May-June 2020 due to covid 19. May see some maintenance of way use on the Northeast Corridor. 105 and 109 reportedly made a CAF move to Elmira Heights on June 8/9, 2020.

113 To Beech Grove October 1, 2018 after a vehicle strike. A semi blocked a crossing at Missouri City, Texas on September 21, 2018. Eastbound Sunset Limited with 113 and 168. Still at Beech Grove June 2019. To Chicago April 27, 2020.


114 Rennselaer shop June 2020 due to plow damage on Lakeshore Boston section.

126-127 New Orleans inactive in June 2020, see above.

130 Heritage-painted unit was popped by a truck April 29, 2020 at Guadalupe, CA, while on train 14. Incurred front end damage and was set out.. Picked up May 1, 2020 by southbound train 11 (with 142+134). Repaired in Los Angeles, and back on Coast Starlight July 10, 2020.



132 Derailed at Omaha on California Zephyr. June 23, 2020 moved to Lincoln, Nebraska on a BNSF freight train. Lincoln to Galesburg 6-24 (BNSF H-LINGAL-24). Then moved in freight June 26 Galesburg to Chicago. Checked out in Chicago. Back in service July 2, 2020 on the Zephyr.

133 Tree damage on Train 19, April 12, 2020 near Cuba, Alabama. Set out at Meridian. Moved to New Orleans after patch up repairs at Meridian. Left NOL on the northbound Crescent April 30, 2020.

136 Tree damage, likely Washington Ivy City shop February 2020. Returned to Virginia Regional service April 14, 2020.


160 Northbound Coast Starlight struck by sewage tranker truck November 13, 2019 near Castroville. After many hour delay, disrupted train received a replacement second locomotive after moving to Oakland. As of February 2020 there were no reports of it being moved east.
Spotted February 29, 2020 at Oakland yard with new nose and some touchup paint. Left Oakland for Chicago March 8, 2020 on Train 6.

162 Capitol Limited 12-10-18 vs load of corn near Ranson, WV. Lite move of engines 203 and 121 retrieved on December 13 and towed back to Ivy City. Had Michael Kumff logo. Stored WAS until January 14/15, 2020, then moved dead in tow on train 29 to Chicago with obvious damage. Moved Chicago to Beech Grove 1-18/19, 2020.




169 with 83 damaged by tree or trees on train 98 June 15/16, 2020 at Wade, North Carolina. Freighter added. Moved to Chicago as second unit on the Capitol, June 25, 26, behind 160. Windshields tarped over for the hospital move.

169 Tree Strike, Silver Meteor 98-15, North Carolina, June 2020 with 83. 83 hit first, then switched into the lead. 1/2 mile farther and 169 hit another tree. CSX freighter added to complete the trip. Moved west on Capitol Limited June 25/26 to Chicago with tarps strapped over the busted windshields.



173 Leading Train 2 at Gum Grove, rural Liberty County, Texas, on December 17th around 1 PM with 153 trailing. Encountered a semi at a rural crossing. Suffered front end and wheel damage. UP7984 added. Trainset arrived New Orleans yard about 8 hours late. Train 1 of December 18 departure also delayed several hours as a result. Towed on train 58 to Chicago December 21, 2019. Moved to Beech Grove 12-28/29 with engine 500 and hospital cars attached to Cardinal set.



174 Tree damage on southbound Carolinian, February 18, 2020. Continued operating Capitol Limited, evidently superficial damage. Caused all sorts of problems with multiple breakdowns and failures in February and March 2020.


177 Silver Star Train 91-30 (2019) encountered a flatbed trailer at a crossing in Lakeland, Florida. The impact separated the lead locomotive from the train, the second locomotive (#40) and, along with other damage, punctured a fuel tank, causing a loss of over 1000 gallons of diesel. Passengers were bussed from the location. #516 later made a lite rescue move to fetch #177 to Sanford. Moved on T29-17(November 2019) Washington to Chicago. Moved CHI-BEE on 11-23/24/19.



503 Moved to Beech Grove 11-9/10, 2019 on Cardinal. Returned to Chicago May 25, 2020.

505 (P32) Engine compartment fire at Seattle February 16, 2019. Evidently moved to Beech Grove? This could be the first loss of the 500 series, which has been amazingly long-lived thus far. Amtrak had plans to retire them, but decided otherwise due to their reliability.



705 Replaced 709 in overhaul shop, Beech Grove, in May 2020.

709 Left Beech Grove in May 2020. Possibly 3rd or 4th to the last to be the last of the repaints/overhauls of the New York Empire Service group of dual modes. 705 and 706 possibly last.
Several of the dualmodes also had escape hatch doors cut in the nose during the time that New York Penn trackage was under renovation.

818 Trailing #9 on train 7 of May 28, 2020. Farm implement struck at road crossing, causing serious damage to the leader, and compression damage to the rest of the train. Several of the passenger cars derailed (but did not overturn). Moved east to Bainville siding on May 29. Hospital train June 5-9 moved it to Beech Grove after #9 dropped off in Minnesota with a hot box.

821 Hit by a semi at Cibola, Teas February 25, 2020. Set out. Moved to New Orleans by the next Train 2 February 28, 2020. Evidently repaired at New Orleans, and reported back in service on the Sunset Limited April 22, 2020. Moving to Chicago June 1, 2020.

822 Was behind #24 on train 2, hit by a semi on March 2, 2020. Has not been reported in service since, so may have also suffered damage and/or require insurance inspections. Believed to be yarded in San Antonio with 24. Moved east April 10 in freight service with UP7788 and Amtrak 24. Spotted April 15 at Bald Knob, Arkansas on MHOAS-14 with #24, headed to St. Louis. Arrived St. Louis April 16, 2020. Moved to Avon April 23 with #24 on CSX Q686-22. Hawthorne Yard April 25 with 24. Arrived BEE April 28, 1:45 AM.

Although 4628 (a Siemens Charger) is ostensibly owned by the state of Illinois and/or Michigan, for whatever reason, it was placed on the leade of the California Zephyr (train 5-18) in February, 2020, along with 4632 and P42 #14. The train encountered a concrete mixer at Derby (east of Sparks, Nevada), causing superficial damage to the lead locomotive (windshield, etc). The concrete mixer did not appear to be loaded. UP 8817 was added. It will join 5 other Chargers already out of service due to derailments, road incursion, and tree damage. No damaged Charger has yet been repaired or returned to service, evidently because Amtrak's shops do not have contracts for repairs. Nearby Derby Dam was built in 1904 by the US government, and brought about the largest water diversion of the Truckee River.

4608 was the last 2016-built to moved east after sitting in Colorado for more than three years. Added to Southwest Chief on March 19.2020.

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