UNOFFICIAL OUT OF SERVICE LIST AUGUST 2021
General Electric's P40/P42, built at Erie. Pennsylvania proved to be a successful design. The cost was $6 million each (in 2021 dollars).
Amtrak's P40's (road numbers 800-843) were built in 1993. The first ten of New York's dualmodes were built in 1995. Amtrak's road numbers 1-50 (roughly) are from 1996. The 1997 group, more or less, are 50-120. Road numbers 121 and 122 were replacements for two destroyed in Utah (143 and 149).
Road numbers 123-207 were built over the 2000-2001 period, and the second half of the dualmode group also date from 2001. Overall, the oldest Genesis-cabbed GE's are 25+ and the newest are 20 years old.
Because of their age, the cost of repair is now at a tipping point. Charger locomotives have replaced Amtrak P42's on many state-routes, and at least 75 more diesel Chargers are on order. Metro-North has ordered at least 19 dual modes from Siemens as well, which will push Amtrak's 700-numbered dualies into retirement.
Some locomotives that would have been repaired in the past will not be in the future. Existing 2-5 year old Chargers are wearing out fast, despite many of them not being placed into service until 2019, and one wrecked unit has already been replaced.
Two or three others already are scrap candidates during their first year or two of service, from incidents that the GE's would have probably survived. It would not be surprising to see the most hardy of the 2001-built P42's undergo one more round of updating, especially if there are delays from Siemens (thus far Siemen's has been pretty much on time with Amtrak's contractual agreements, but with COVID disruptions, anything can happen).
Below are the P42 losses and possible losses, thus far as of August 2021, listed by road number.
AMTRAK P42 TOTAL LOSSES AND SUSPECTED RETIREMENTS AS OF AUGUST 2021
1 - Longmeadow, Mass on March 13, 2017. - Total Loss
8 - Chicago, November 30, 2007 - Total Loss
9 - May 29, 2020, Lanark crossroads, in rural Roosevelt County, Montana. - At Beech Grove as of April 2021.
16 - Homan, Miller County, Arkansas, March 25, 2020. - At Beech Grove as of April 2021.
20 - August 30, 2019 Liberty, Texas. - At Beech Grove as of April 2021.
21 - July 29, 2013 near Trenton, North Dakota. - Total Loss
24 - Lissie, Texas on March 2, 2020. - At Beech Grove as of April 2021.
32 - May 24, 2019, Yazoo, MS. - At BeechGrove as of April 2021.
35 - Terry, MS, August 16, 2019. - At Beech Grove as of April 2021.
42 - Retired again November 22, 2020 with electrical glitches. Still pending at BEE April 10, 2021.
47 - Cayce, SC, February 4, 2018 - Total Loss
49 - Fuel system fire December 2011. - Total Loss
64 - September 30, 2019, Kauffman County, Texas, near Mesquite. - Total Loss
65 - April 14, 2016 near Galva, Illinois. - Total Loss
66 - February 2016, Lincoln Service train near Joliet. - Total Loss
67 - October 25, 2018 at Suffolk, Virginia. - Total Loss
70 - Fuel System fire January 2011 - Total Loss
80 - Slidell, Louisiana April 2011. - Total Loss
91 - November 23, 2015 Empire Builder. - Total Loss
102 - October 5, 2015 on Vermonter. - Total Loss
128 - February 1, 2012, near Jackson, Michigan. - Total Loss
141 - Fuel system fire November 2011. - Total Loss
143 - Wendover, Utah 2001. - Total Loss
149 - Wendover, Utah 2001 - Total Loss
156 - Scott, Louisiana, November 3, 2020. - At Beech Grove as of April 10, 2021.
160 - Moved to Beech Grove January 24, 2021. Still there as of April 10, 2021.
162 - December 10, 2018 near Ranson, WV. - Total Loss
173 - Gum Grove, rural Liberty County, Texas, December 17, 2019. - Total Loss
177 - Lakeland, Florida, November 2019. - Total Loss
178 - Fuel System Fire February 2011. - Total Loss
184 - December 27, 2020, Hattiesburg. Moved to Chicago storage as of April 2021. Moved on Texas Eagle late April.
185 - March 11, 2015, Halifax, North Carolina. - At Beech Grove as of April 10, 2021.
191 - McComb, November, 2020. - At Beech Grove as of April 10, 2021.
195 - Ponchatoula, August 10, 2020. - Under repair at Beech Grove April 2021.
200 - Las Vegas, New Mexico 6-October 2017. - Total Loss
Of the above incidents, three possibly could have been avoided or mediated had positive train control been properly in effect: 143/149 at Wendover, 8 at Englewood, and 47 at Cayce.
2021 SO FAR
6 Reportedly moved to Beech Grove April 18, 2021.
10 - Involved in a tree strike on the Crescent in January. Back in Service.
12 - Truck attack reported in Florida in July, set out at Pecan Yard in Bostwick with front end crushed. Reported still there August 7, 2021.
15 - Truck strike near Cleburn, Texas March 21. Rescued by #17 and towed to Chicago.
18 - Hit by a truck February 3 near Plant City, Florida. Set out at Winston. Picked up in a lite power move by engine 69, Train 931, February 6, 2021. Moved to Beech Grove August 29, 2021.
26 - Went to Beech Grove on June 6, 2021. Had been mostly stored at New Orleans for 2020.
27 - Was wreck damaged at Fluker, Louisiana. Stored NOL for 2020. Had moved NOL-CHI-NOL as second unit in March. Appears to be able to run solo in Aril.
51 - Vehicle strike eastbound train 6, May 5, 2021. Swapped leaders and moved to Chicago, where reportedly getting a new nose and other work.
57 - Moved to Beech Grove November 29/30, 2020. Returned to Chicago May 31, 2021 with no evident external changes.
58/73 - Encountered a dumptruck in March on train 11 at Oakland, California. Still in California as of the end of the month. Moved back to Chicago with obvious battle scars on train 6 of May 18, 2021.
63 - On Train 58-31, struck by a vehicle at Vernon, Mississippi. Evidently back out of Chicago February 7 on train 50 (to Washington?).
68/69 - Evidently one has gone to Beech Grove to stay March 14-15. They've flipped positions a couple times, and maybe we don'tknow which is at BEE and which is back in Chicago. Possible heritage repaint candidate.
73 Moved to Beech Grove May 23, 2021. Probable routine maintenance.
97 Out of Beech Grove in fresh paint March 8, 2021.
100 - Evidently gone to Beech Grove March 14-15. To be repainted in midnight blue 50 anniversary scheme.
108 - The last of the steel nosed P42's. Reportedly moved to Beech Grove April 25, 2021. Out in new anniversary paint in July, returned to NEC.
133 - Front end damage, new pilot being welded on in Chicago as of March 18. Back running on train 3 March 27, 2021.
146 - Reported vehicle strike April 22 on train 97 in Florida. Moved back to Washington on Train 92-24. Returned to regular service May 3, 2021 on Virginia regionals.
161 - Beech Grove in March, heritage repaint candidate. Out in fresh heritage paint with 50 year stickers May 24, 2021. Displayed in June at St. Paul. Maiden voyage in new paint Empire Builder Train 7 of June 8-10, 2021.
164 - Sat in New Orleans for most of January and February, 2021. Pulled to Chicago 2-20, then To Beech Grove and back as shuttle February 21/22, 2021. Seems to be running normally again in March.
189 - Vehicle strike May 15, 2021 at Mishawaka on Capitol Limited Train 29. Another incident reported at Jackson, MS in July, and was set out there. Moved to New Orleans, then hauled back north to Chicago August 27/28 by #7.
194 - Evidently broke down or damaged in the vicinity of Collier, Virginia in July and was set out there. Picked up in a lite engine move from Richmond on August 1 and hauled back to Ivy City.
199 - Moved to Beech Grove May 2, 2021.
203 - Evidently moved to Beech Grove August 15, 2021.
P32'S P40'S AND OTHER RETIREMENTS AND GOINGS ON
The P32's in the 500 series are all still in service as of April 2021 except for 505, which suffered an engine compartment fire. It is at Beech Grove and is not expected to survive. Others remain on duty at various terminals.
Former Amtrak 820 was overhauled at Beech Grove for the Connecticut Department of Transportation. Now numbered 6711, it was delivered to CDOT in March, 2021 via CSX freight moves from Indianapolis. In between leaving Amtrak, the unit had also served New Jersey Transit prior to being sold to Connecticut. Other CDOT former Amtrak P40's are at BeechGrove, and in April 2021 units 842 and 843 moved out for overhaul as well. On April 11, 2021 they joined several others already at the Indiana shop. Former 836 joined them in May 2021.
Fifteen P40's Amtrak retained were rebuilt with stimulus funds 2009-2011. Ten of the fifteen seem to still be servicible in 2021. The others in the 800-843 group were previously wrecked, retired, or sold off. The largest number of ex-Amtrak units in service today work for the Connecticut DOT.
#809 and #823 have subsequently been fatally wrecked and are off roster, while 814, 818 (May 28, 2020), and 822 (March 2, 2020) are also out of service after road crossing incidents. Of the remaining ten, five are still in routine Autotrain service, based at Sanford, and two usually on commuter duty out of Washington. Four others are apparently on standby or heading into retirement.
The last two of the dualmode New York empire units are undergoing overhaul, with 708 at Beech Grove in July, and 706 pending after 706's completion in the Fall. This may be the end of the overhaul program at Beech Grove, as future Amtrak locomotive repairs are apparently being contracted out to private shops. More high-skill Indiana jobs to be lost and never replaced.
Former Michigan units were stored servicable at NOUPT in February, 2021 included: 26-30 33 34 36 37 38 126 127 Also stored there had been wreck unit #27. In March 27 became active again on the City of New Orleans, and in April 126 and 33 moved to Chicago as second units on train 58. Engine 30 was the next to move to Chicago on April 23, 2021. As western trains went back to their pre-covid schedules, several (if not all) of these worn out units have returned to active duty on overnight trains. As of August, 2021 there were perhaps two still hanging around New Orleans (including 26).
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